Which of these 2 bows you like more?

Look what I got today from Robert Rampage with my 1.98m glory points. 16 legendary shortbows, 2 of which had interesting stats, the others I melted.



Look at the 14.7% speed on the second one and the 45% crit dmg
Too bad it only has only 2 slots, but I'll keep it in case I improve my crit.

The second bow looks like an improved end of time bow: almost 20% speed but I think the dmg lines are more than 19.7% dmg from the EOT bow

Also, I have 5x20 dmg gems, but I didn't get to expand the 5th slot on that bow yet so that's why you don't see the 5th gem in the picture.

@Novadude Thx for the advice. I also think the second one is better but I need to farm a lot of andermant to expand 3 slots since I'm mostly f2p and I also need to improve my crit rate a lot to make that 45% crit dmg line count

 

Ok I posted the pics for you. To do it right click on the link and view picture then copy that link and put that link in the post image icon context window. I can post a video if you don't understand what I mean.

Now for the best bow.
With 2 more slots opened and useing your existing gems you should see a slightly higher dps on normal shots. Your crit will be higher also. Useing 3 ruby and one sapphire will make it the same dps I think.

 

Assuming I did the math right (and of course, possible game rounding errors), if you were to open 5 slots and had 5 +20 rubies, the first bow would have a dps of 438.35 as well as the 45% crit damage, whereas the second bow would just be 427.18 dps. I don't play a ranger, so I don't know if the 0.05 speed difference would be significant. But if you're willing to open 3 slots and get a 5th +20 ruby, the 45% crit damage bow looks better.

 

The kicker

Here are the two direct links.

http://i.imgur.com/RkxQ4nU.png
http://i.imgur.com/CIK4REf.png

Here is what you paste them in. (One at a time)

 

thx a lot, I knew where to paste them but I was pasting the url of the entire webpage where the pic was, I wasn't pasting only the address of the pic. So for this I have to do an additional step and that is to drag the picture into another tab to see the .png file address

 

Well, We can't say exactly which you may use because you didn't get your gems off of one of them. But I guess, My opinion you should use the first one, Why? because 347-80 = 267, Then the bow in the first picture got more damage than another one, And You can use your gems to get your first one more damage....

 

How about this 91.7% dmg longbow I found today... I wish those stats were on a shortbow. And only 2 slots .... I think that my shortbow with 14.7% speed, 45% crit dmg, 23.7% dmg and 57 dmg is better ... but it's hard to tell. I could put 1x25 and 4x20 on this longbow if I had 5 slots.

 

Hoestly this bow and the new moon gear is going to be an awsome combo. Plus I can see your damage reaching 3k with the bahemoth trant. Maybe higher. Might be slower than your used to but other stuff will be slight more powerful.

 

Bendover, whenever you find a full-line increased weapon damage item, you MUST populate every slot with DMG ruby stones.
Only in this way you will maximiize the bonus effect, cause those percentages apply on damage coming from the weapon only.

Put one +20 dmg stone on this bow and see which is the difference dmg from the base without any stone.

 

I could put 4x20 and 1x25 but everytime I pull out the gems, I have to spend so much gold :/

 

This bow, with 4x 20 and 1x 25 rubies, would give you about 534.5 dps on the bow, assuming i did the math right. It would be a nice PVE bow.

 

I can get 2500 dmg with this bow with no gems inside, but 1.10 speed (maybe 1.32 after I get level 50 knowledge).
But I can also have about 1800 dmg with 1.93 speed for now.
I would definitely play with the longbow and blue essence because it would conserve a lot of essence and do a ton of damage at the same time. Too bad it costs so much to expand 3 slots about 21-22k ander I think

 

Ben you can do a comparison without moving the gems by doing the following.

1. With gemmed bow equipped-divide average of character base damage/average bow damage. This will give you a ratio like 2.9 or whatever.
2. With un-gemmed bow equipped-Subtract low end character damage from high end character damage to get the spread.

NOW TO GET DPS and High/Low for new bow as if it were gemmed:
3. Multiply gem total x 1(dmg% on the bow).
Yours is 105x1.917=201.285
4. Add that to the average bow damage then multiply by bow spd for DPS.
Yours is (448+201.286).83 =538.9 DPS
5. Multiply the Ratio you got in step 1 by the DPS and you get average base damage.
6. Divide the spread from step 2 by 2 then add that number to average base damage for top end. Subtract it for low end.

There is some hidden rounding that goes on in the game for formulas so it won't be exact, but it will give you a good ballpark to work from before you decided to spend the gold moving gems.

 

Here goes papa again, I am poor in maths. My calc got broken

For the bows, I wouldn't waste time with the longbow, I think you can get better longbows. I would use the first shortbow if I could manage 40-45% CHR or the 2nd shortbow if I plan to go full damage and adjust accordingly in knowledge.

However please don't listen to me, I am not a ranger and I dont know maths Listen to Papa, he knows maths

 

If I did my calculations right, according to papa's math, I would have about 3000 dmg max, with crap items. And 1.32 speed when I get the knowledge points. I could get maybe 3500 dmg with better items.
Also, if I used the new moon set (which I don't have yet), I would get maybe 4k dmg max

 

The Curse of the black knight is coming also that set has this set stats. Plus it has a +.6 to block strength.


(2) +15% armor value
(3) 30% more concentration
30% increased block rate
15% more weapon damage for longbows

 

That set is useless for long bow users.
When you have such a powerful long bow you don't want to use the Dragan Set ... because:
1. 15% weapon damage is a joke ... compared to other sets/items that can boost your base damage
2. when you have high damage and low attack speed you would want to go with critical hit and critical damage to boost your damage even more ... instead of defensive stats.

 

using dragan is very good for other classes because they get 30% more weapon dmg and also good defense. 30% of a real 2h weapon (usually over 1k weapon dmg) is much more than 15% of a crappy longbow.
Plus, if you use dragan, you also need to use a shield to make use of that extra block.
But then you have no crit and no speed. You would have big dmg but useless. Although I have to say that if it wasn't for the crit nerf, the dragan set would have been a really interesting option. Because you could geet decent crit without a quiver and also have good defense and 30% more concentration + 20% more concentration from the longbow + possibly use 10 knowledge points to get even more concentration from the knowledge tree (although I don't know if I'd do that, since I would rather go with more speed instead, but who knows)

 

Would you be able to get 2 rings a belt and amulet that was all critical values to help with getting the crit up to a high amount. Just thinking being able to have a bucket with the shoulders and with more armor and concentration would see more PS and the explosive arrows but hey I am not a Ranger it was truly just a though.

 

With the current crappy crit lines on the items, that would mean to sacrifice A LOT of dmg for only a little extra crit.
Then I would end up with dmg I could get with a shortbow, but with the added speed handicap. Even if you can shoot an extra precision or 2, that's useless if you don't have big dmg and crit. So for now I really need all the crit I can get and that means to use a quiver + new moon set