Feedback Saphire ->Rune rafine

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You think the Sapphyre rafine system is :

Poll closed Mar 3, 2018.
  1. Not OK

    32 vote(s)
    47.8%
  2. OK

    8 vote(s)
    11.9%
  3. Totaly wrong idea.

    21 vote(s)
    31.3%
  4. Need some tweaks

    17 vote(s)
    25.4%
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  1. BurdushSM

    BurdushSM Forum Apprentice

    Make available all rune slots at 1H, 2H and weapon adornment for all speed attacks runes, regardless of the size of the rune. Give a 3 month deadline, or more, for the fair conversion of the safire into the runes (with refiners) and you will equalize the difference between new and old players, at least approximately. Make the price of the refiners to convert the sapphire into a rune to be convenient, accessible or much better, free. I think this would be a fair way for both new players and old ones.
     
  2. Sunlight

    Sunlight User

    Hey there heroes,

    New information is coming very soon regarding this situation. Stay tuned to our official announcements.

    Cheers,
     
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  3. bloodyneo

    bloodyneo Forum Master

    it should be revert option for all saphires just in case players want to switch from 2h to 1h and Vice Versa
     
  4. Demon

    Demon Forum Mogul

    Cant wait for the slution i hope is a nice one.



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  5. mestamer67

    mestamer67 Padavan

    Very soon?i think that wait another 3 months for that solution.Rimember that i dont play when start r.186 for that situation
     
  6. Sunlight

    Sunlight User

    Hey there @mestamer67 ,

    When I say "very soon" is "very soon", once I had already the information that things are coming :p

    HERE you have the final information.
     
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  7. iNeXoRaBlE

    iNeXoRaBlE Forum Great Master

    yeah too bad for us that converted our gems and cant get the other two aggressive gems... A bit unfair don't you think?
     
  8. Novadude

    Novadude Commander of the Forum

    We were told to wait, though.

    Btw, was there any consideration of a gem cracker feature so that could reduce gems down a notch. I'm mostly interested in using it for cyanites but it would have applications for those of us with flawless and up gems but not enough quiazah refiners.
     
  9. MikeyMetro

    MikeyMetro Forum Overlooker

    Thank you to all involved, both mods and devs, for coming to a resolution on this issue. I was holding out with the faintest hope that some useful like this would happen. But also I am happy just to have this issue laid to rest.

    Luck be with ye,
    Mikey,
    Tegan
     
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  10. iNeXoRaBlE

    iNeXoRaBlE Forum Great Master

    We were told to wait, after some of us used the thingies they released though :D not fast enough.
     
  11. Sulayman

    Sulayman Forum Apprentice

    The new conversions still don't look appealing to me. I'd rather continue farming for the chance of Rubies and Onyxes or purchase them rather than converting my Sapphires to them.
    Sapphires will never drop at this point, and will never be available in the cash shop. This makes them all the more coveted.
    I'll continue to farm the runes of celerity during full moon events as well, although who knows how soon they'll stop dispensing them.
     
  12. xmasholo

    xmasholo Forum Apprentice

    I feel satisfied with the new refinement offers, Good job!
     
  13. TwiliShadow

    TwiliShadow Count Count

    I'm not. Those of us (my DK) with Saphires are still getting shafted by having to pay more than twice the normal conversion rate.

    If you don't know what I mean, then do the math on what it costs per 0.1% gain going from gem to rune. It shouldn't be "19" refiners, it should be "9" refiners.

    And I've already lost out on 19 refiners total in overcharges between two toons.
     
  14. Galvard

    Galvard Forum Mogul

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  15. mestamer67

    mestamer67 Padavan

    why?is simly do all same runes,that i can use on 1h weapon and on 2h weapon.i can choisse if i want to play with 1h or 2h.Why u forced me to play only on 1 item?we have 2 weapon in this game or not?i dnt understand why?u convert befor cant use on 1h weapon now?is correct?delete this game and fast..
     
  16. Arx_X

    Arx_X Advanced

    I'm glad to see something is being done, but i don't think it can please everyone.
    I'd be carefull if i were you or you'll end up with different "kinds" of runes for hammers, axes and maces :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
     
  17. Demon

    Demon Forum Mogul

    Is simple now you can rafine a gem that can be put in all types of weapons in 2 types of gems that can be put only in one type of weapon and that is going to make the value drop at 1/2.

    Every time they make a change you should think what profit they get from that. They always nerf things to make you buy more stuff from them. (they have no ideas for new challenges to make money, now they will give us infinite grind with inferno 2,3,4,5,6..)
    After they have find that expensive solution for the gems (Quaizah something)they will ruin the items as you can see the shield from wolf and they will continue with skills.
    Now if you think at what they did you will notice that is much expensive for you to get maximum speed for 2 types or weapons with 2 different types of runes than using only one type 5v10 is double the number of runes.
    Is much expensive to get both 5x16% for DH and 5x8% for SH when you have gems that can be rafine only in one type of runes 5x16% or 5x8%+5x6%.
    So what they do is just determined you to buy one more set of runes and that is marketing for them.

    Problem is that they have nerf your sapphires value you cant ware them anymore in the adornment because they have nerf the crit value so you need onyxes there, and if you rafine them you reduce the utility of them at 1/2 because you can use them just in one type of item/s DH or SH.
    And after they put a bad option to rafine them now they have found a new solution slightly better but neither with this you cant recover your full value of your sapphires but is much better as your have 2 choices instead of one.

    Now they put also a way to exchange your sapphires in gems, i wonder how many of us will prefer this type of exchange in regular gems instead of such hard to obtain runes.In this moment i cant buy runes with andermant but i can buy gems so why should i make such a bad trade.

    It can be something nice with converters but they should make 2 universal converters one to convert between Sapphires Onyxes and Rubies and second type for the other gems Cyanites Diamonds and Amethysts this will be a nice solution with better implementation that the one they have now.

    Now this is a smart way to make money. Nice done

    PS.Dont get me wrong i.m happy for this new solution.
     
    Last edited: May 12, 2017
  18. lewcar

    lewcar Padavan

    Too bad if you already converted flawless+ gems, I'd hoped they would have provided a way to convert those grand runes down to regular runes. Basically If you decide to convert a high level gem to regular runes, you're going to suffer a huge value loss e.g. Royal = Radiant + Polished. Converting to Ruby/Onyx appears also to be silly since these are still obtainable in game.

    So the outcome will be many players deciding to keep their discontinued gems given their considerable value now, the opposite of the dev's obvious intentions. Especially so for dwarves since they simply don't require onyxs for optimal performance (as if they needed to further the gap between them and all the other classes).

    From Day 1 they should have automatically converted all sapphire 'gems' into their simplest regular 'rune' version, such that a player would still have the quantity of small runes to obtain the tier of higher runes (gems then) they had previously. Then conversion should have been from regular to grand if a player so chooses. But instead of consulting people who actually play the game they decided to run with a half-baked idea, that would never satisfy the majority and would inevitably be impossible to achieve their actual goal of removing sapphire gems completely.
     
  19. TwiliShadow

    TwiliShadow Count Count

    Arx_X,
    You've completely miss-quoted me again. Do you read my whole post? I didn't say anything about hammers or axes, or maces, or staves, or rods, or bows, or any other weapon. Since you've completely missed my point, and I have time at the moment, I'll spell it out.

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    Gain in bonus
    Cost of gain
    Flawed Sapphire
    0.5% bonus​
    Lesser Rune of Celerity
    2.0% bonus​
    +1.5%​
    15 Refiners (x15 andermant)
    = 1 per 0.1% gain​
    Splintered Sapphire
    1.0% bonus​
    Lesser Rune of Celerity
    2.0% bonus​
    +1.0%​
    10 Refiners (x15 andermant)
    = 1 per 0.1% gain​
    Simple Sapphire
    1.8% bonus​
    Lesser Rune of Celerity
    2.0% bonus ​
    +0.2% ​
    2 Refiners (x15 andermant)
    = 1 per 0.1% gain ​
    Sapphire
    3.1% bonus
    Rune of Celerity
    4.0% bonus
    +0.9%
    19 Refiners (x15 andermant)
    = 2.111 per 0.1% gain
    Polished Sapphire
    5% bonus ​
    Mighty Rune of Celerity
    6.0% bonus​
    +1.0%​
    10 Refiners (x15 andermant)
    = 1 per 0.1% gain ​
    Radiant Sapphire
    6.6% bonus​
    Supreme Rune of Celerity
    8.0% bonus ​
    +1.4% ​
    14 Refiners (x15 andermant)
    = 1 per 0.1% gain ​
     
    Last edited: May 12, 2017
  20. Demon

    Demon Forum Mogul

    In my opinion they should have block the transfer for saphires lower than 1.8 .

    And the new rafine method is also crap cuz you have to choose the 1H or 2H build , if you chose 1h you wil loose speed on 2h because you are locked at 8% , if you take the 2h your runes cant be used on 1H and you lose more.
    What to do ??what to do?? Maybe i will keep my sapphires :))
     
    Last edited: May 12, 2017
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